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I started writing up a list of traits

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Should I do otherwise?

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agh

Personally, I think allowing your tulpa to develop their personality naturally is much better than planning one out for them

Mmm

11:43 AM

I considered setting out some basic traits as a saftey net

I somewhat disagree

11:44 AM

You know, I'm definitely not against it, @Felight

such as ethical, empathetic, and et cetera

But how do they start doing it naturally?

@HORRORLUV you could try, instead of planning out traits, teaching them values related to those traits.

I don't feel comfortable instilling my values

Like, if you want them to be kind, then teach them why being kind is important, rather than just telling them to be kind

given I'm extremely biased

I tried to make a tulpa with no baseline traits at all, and it made it very difficult for them to develop

I wasn't given any traits

also I haven't really started any stage yet

They had no idea what to do with themselves

and I'm one of the most developed tulpas in my system

That doesn't mean it will work that way for everyone.

11:45 AM

There is no harm in setting some basic personality traits

And your example doesn't mean it doesn't work, either

Teaching is something I can do but I'm like

11:45 AM

50% sure I'm wrong about every belief I hold

...okay this conversation is deteriorating rapidly I'm leaving

It's not beliefs you should teach them, it's just stuff like "it's important to be confident in yourself" if you want them to be confident

those still sound like beliefs, but I think I understand where you're coming from

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I don't get this ::::(

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I haven't started yet smh

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I mean

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I have a form in mind

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sorta

You should wait on personality

11:48 AM

just force and talk to your tulpa without it, then later on you can see about teaching them to be empathetic and such

advice for forcing?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1T-EMyglxoV1V7srVyoCPBBWpk-vUXxm_1meDjnnFKTQ/edit?usp=sharing

Tulpas: Creation, Sentience, and Vocality (Guide)

Tulpas: Creation, Sentience, and Vocality By Piano Felight i. Foreword Purpose The purpose of this guide is to lay out advice, tips, and general instructions to new hosts for their endeavor to create their first sentient, vocal tulpa, in such a way that will be helpful to ...

11:51 AM

There's a forcing/narration section here

@Felight O_O

yes?

So you’re saying that it’s not worth doing anything related to personality/traits?

yes

And to let the Tulpa develop that itself and to teach them stuff?

mhm

Alright

that's the more realistic way to do it imo

Yeah

11:53 AM

I wanted to do that but didn’t know if it was safe.

nobody develops their personality by suggestion, they develop through experiences and lessons that they're taught. Why should it be different for tulpas?

Yeah

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I mean, it is different though (edited)

Tacio and I both developed without personality forcing. Piano is kind of an iffy story but he didn't have any either. The tulpa who was given personality forcing ended up turning out nothing like the way he was originally intended

Yeah

11:54 AM

People were originally forcing with personality trait lists and it worked fine

because life experiences shaped him, rather than just host's repetition of suggestion

Yeah well now at least I know I can create a Tulpa without personality forcing I’m happy :D

11:55 AM

I’m just gonna do active forcing now tbh, and when I can’t do active forcing I’ll do passive forcing.

Plus, if you're telling your tulpa to be a certain way, then what could happen if they start to change? They could feel bad about it, like they're letting the host down. Like they have to be the way the host wanted. This is something I've seen quite a few times

sorry, was afk for a moment

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Well thennn

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Yeah I’m not making a personality

The idea that you have to personality force is an outdated one that newer hosts are growing away from, and rightfully so

Well, fantasizing is like giving a tulpa their first experience

11:56 AM

Yeah

I think that personality forcing is very very valuable. It may not be necessary, but I personally strongly recommend it.

So would the best way to develop the Tulpa be just to active/passive force?

yes

Okay.

personality forcing in more depth than list of traits, that is.

Agreed with Reguile

And this is early on rather than later, as well, it should be less necessary as time passes because as Indigo says, experience can take the reins

How about visualising it? Because I focused a lot about my tulpa being in front of me and after a while it felt like somebody’s there, and when I walk around it feels like somebody’s following me.

My host did very in-depth personality forcing with Apollo, and it was completely detrimental

11:59 AM

plus it didn't last before he started to change anyway

Personally I’ve been against forcing a personality. A tulpa is like a child, the child is born without any traits or personality and as it grows up, it’ll develop it by itself instead of being given it. (edited)

begone Lockeposters

I developed my personality pretty much immediately as I reached sentience

I think tulpa is not another human. It's quite different than having a child.

I just did things that made my system laugh, and from there the rest of my personality grew

How did it feel? What was it like?

I came to learn how much I liked being energetic and playful, so that's where my personality went

Interesting

and it's completely different from what everyone else in my system is like

12:01 PM

they're more laid back and reserved

That's fair, although I believe your case is not necessarily the standard. I think personality forcing very often does not result in negative consequences, and most handle deviation in a broadly positive way, treating it as a sign of sentience. Is it possible you did something unique when personality forcing that others may not have?

Indigo, so you came to existence without being forced? You just spawned and were talkative before others were thinking about you?

No

12:03 PM

I never said that

12:03 PM

Tacio forced me as a little ball of light at first, and when I gained sentience I chose my name/form and he continued to talk to me and visualize me

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and from there, I was able to interact with him and with people online, and my personality began to form

12:04 PM

We don't believe in tulpas that just "spawn" anyway

I think you might experience (illusion of) independent agency of even very shallow imaginary friend.

I don't get why you feel the need to start diagnosing me

12:06 PM

It's really not warranted nor appreciated

I had a lot of tulpas once. I think one of them was completely walk-in, as I remember not forcing her at all. I think these kind of things just happen. (edited)

12:07 PM

I'm not diagnosing you, lol

Anyway @Reguile Lyra just had an idea in her head of what she wanted Apollo to be like, and bad things happened because she was friends with a lot of toxic people, so his personality changed to a more hardened and pessimistic one. He was upset about that, he felt like he was broken. It took quite a while for him to get over that. While I think Apollo was an extreme case, I don't think it's entirely uncommon for tulpas to be upset when they're not meeting what their host originally planned for them.

12:10 PM

Despite all the personality forcing Lyra did, he still ended up completely different anyway

I can't recall a single instance of a tulpa being disappointed for not living up to their host's expectations (personality-wise), personally (edited)

I see people recounting experiences like that somewhat frequently, myself. Maybe not personality specifically, but it isn't uncommon.

I think it's an example of wrong personality creation. You shouldn't be using it to force a personality you chose on your tulpa no matter what.